I talked to her about the process of projection, about idealizing a person, about giving up ones power, hypnotizing oneself into beliefs and finally about taking self-responsibility. And it also shows how effective and immersive the propaganda was around Joiss power that the senior students openly joke about how they all crawled crying out of practice everyday. chad. Karen Rain (Haberman), Richard Freeman, Tim Miller, Pattabhi Jois, Chuck Miller, Eddie Stern, Maty Ezraty. When you look on Instagram today at #yoga you will see images that really had their birthplace in terms of their sensuality their, their structure, the whole aesthetic really comes out of the Jois movement. This is true. Without him theres no sense of the contemporary group yoga class as being a, an intense, ecstatic, immersive, silent experience filled with breath and sweat. The collective physical, emotional, and spiritual wounds have been a toxic opposite to what should have always been shared as a beautiful system of self-care. Theyre not going to be trained to take care of your subluxated disc in your back, and theyre not going to be trained to fix your labral tear. Karen has been found in 27 cities including Encino, Tarzana, La Jolla, San Diego, Corvallis. Talk about whats going on in Yoga land, uh, whats problematic about it and what might be some ways that things can be remedied. And just to jump on that for a second around the nature of the adjustments, because weve discussed how theres a component of sexual assault in them, but the physical assault too the stories of people just hearing ligaments snap or rip. We dont know whats going on. Recently, Karen and LaRhonda Steele have founded the duo "The Spirit of Freedom" which showcases the songs of the Civil Rights Movement and their relevance to then and now. Division of Ecology, Evolution and Marine Biology, Santa Barbara, CA 93106 According to ZoomInfo records, Karen Haberman's professional experience began in 2005. She was born March 29, 1946 in Greeley, Colorado to Alfred H. and Norma L. (Dickerson) Johnson. Associate Professor, Biology Division of Natural Science and Math Western Oregon University Monmouth, OR 97361 E-mail: habermk@wou.edu Phone: (503)838-8478 EDUCATION 1991 - 1998 Ph.D., 1998, University of California, Santa Barbara. So as a cultural critic, as Ive reported on various abuse stories, the Anusara implosion, the Jivamukti lawsuit, the Satyananda Yoga thing, Shambhala, Rigpa As Ive done that work, Ive made a lot of allies and Ive made a lot of enemies. You are yourself a survivor of two cults, and I know that part of this work in this book has been a bit of a healing journey for you. The, what is it called, the Eisenhower Rule? I dont think that anybody asked him directly, what are you doing when you grope these womens breasts or when you put your hands on their buttocks or when you put your fingers into their vaginas, like: What are you doing? When he was confronted about sexual assault, the few times that I have evidence of it, he was very embarrassed. 4 Ditonton. Although its not like the reactions that theyve had to my more informal blog work over the years, which a lot of people have just been able to dismiss or to say its agenda driven or something like that or that, You just hate our community, or something. I try to lay out a number of tools that I think Im not an expert in this but I think will be helpful as teachers, students and administrators and yoga service providers and yoga academics as well go forward in figuring out how to identify toxic group dynamics. Transcript is below. I think she uses, no, I dont think she uses my research to try to figure out how many women he actually came into contact with when hes away from the Mysore shala on world tour, you know, in California or New York or Boston or whatever, or Hawaii. And the second chapter was to be an analysis of interview data coming from the Ashtanga world. Theyre coordinating with a few other second generation of Ashtanga teachers. But also under Krishnamacharyas tutelage was his brother-in-law BKS Iyengar. And that hes doing it for his own gratification and that theres no therapeutic benefit to this. I'd also heard about the amazing and impressive Karen Haberman, and tried to find out why she'd left the scene. And of course, hes not describing that in terms of abuse, but rather as a badge of honor. I dont think that has really gotten off the ground yet. I think its really kind of awful serendipity really because it was reportable. Heres to continued improvement. Yeah. Right now, Karen Haberman lives in Corvallis, OR. Haberman retweeted a New York Times report from Friday that linked Florida officials, including the governor, to the "delayed" evacuation in Lee County one day before the hurricane made landfall . Karen L Haberman View Antarctic krill (Euphausia superba) is a keystone species in the Antarctic pelagic ecosystem (Everson 2000;Knox 2007;Trathan and Hill 2016) and also supports a major fishery . Well, modern yoga ashtanga practitioners or Jois method practitioners from America and Europe have started using the word parampara to describe what they belong to. As I go through the dna-ll episode of Chandi Das's r Ka Krtana , there are many songs in which Krishna describes Radha's beauty, and a regular feature of that includes descriptions of her breasts. Iyengar is responsible for the notion that the bodily postures that we assume in yoga should some sort of geometrical form and balance and symmetry and a kind of architecture of grace. So I mean, okay. Ive spent two years interviewing Karen Rain. Find Karen's age, current and past home addresses, mobile phone numbers, email addresses, and known relatives. I think we have to then wonder what it means for his senior students and how they present asana or yoga practice to the world now. And the deception around it too. Karen Haberman Entrepreneur and Internet Visionary Hawthorne, New Jersey, United States. I was totally shocked. I am a Harrison Early Career Assistant Professor in the Department of Statistics at the University of Warwick. But I also want to say that, you know, the notion that the notion that people should be liberated somehow in the way in which they conceive of their sexuality within yoga is part of yogas appeal actually. Like, this is not a regulated profession. It summarizes the analysis of the Jois event and the cult literature that I use. The residency of Karen is at 775 Barnes Lake Drv, NYA, MN 55397-9276. The year when you left, 1998, I wasnt there. Just briefly take me through the math on that. Every morning that I was there in Mysore, I saw three other women who, who got assaulted in those three postures. Ive been thinking that AY teachers who want to continue to venerate Pattabhi Jois and teach yoga adhering to his tradition/lineage/method ought to call it Vinyasa Yoga (honesty in advertising). Find the obituary of Karen Haberman (1946 - 2020) from Nunn, CO. Leave your condolences to the family on this memorial page or send flowers to show you care. Every day, Karen Rain and thousands of other voices read, write, and share important stories on Medium. Its a system. I mean, anybody who thinks that somehow Ive gotten rich on this just doesnt know anything about what writing a book means or what it means to sell it or anything about it. And so I dont think its a big leap for people to go, Oh, well maybe I shouldnt be so uptight about such and such, or maybe I shouldnt, ask too many questions, or thats private after all. The way in which this group of people was inculturated to withstand pain is extraordinary. So its not, its not a surprise that these things get wrapped up to together and sold on and end up rationalizing abuse to me. But in 2012, there was a big hagiography published of Joiss life featuring interviews with 40 students, and everybody talked about how wonderful he was and what a grandfather and father figure he was, and a spiritual teacher and all of that. Loving mother and mother-in-law of Michael Whitla and the . But at the same time, I dont think I wouldve gotten the book contract without that. After practise I approached her, told her that I saw what happened and that I was happy to accompany and support her if she wanted to take it up with him. Thats moving kind of slowly because I think theres a lot of fear around the control that the family still has over the finances and the copyrights and the ability to practice, uh, or to teach the, the, the method, quote-unquote legally or with the validation of the family. The thing that listeners need to know is that theres ample video and photographic evidence documenting all of this. But, you know, I think people who are in different financial circumstances might find it more effective to preserve the relationship with their Ashtanga Yoga shala hosts than to separate altogether and to slowly encourage them to change. by Gregor Maehle | May 17, 2018 | Ashtanga MeToo, Teaching | 6 comments. 2005-2020. By that point, I'm talking to Karen Rain for two years. Your email address will not be published. And I think I really have the work of Alexandra Stein to thank for that because she uses this basic so just a caveat here, when we talk about the psychology of person whos victimized by a cult, its not to say that, you know, there was something inside them that made them more vulnerable. Why was it me? Theres this sense that you and the teacher are alone and there are people who absolutely love and they thrive on that and theres no reason they shouldnt. I am asking myself how I could not notice the extent to which these things were going on. You had a compass that was a shining light for you, but now its kind of broken or its been occluded and the wisdom of the group has entered in and has kind of overwhelmed what youve been able to decide for yourself in terms of your moral values throughout your life. via Matthew Remski On November 11th, Karen Rain, formerly known as Karen Haberman, posted the following #metoo disclosure about her studies with Pattabhi Jois, creator of "Ashtanga Yoga": For eight years, Rain was in the top echelon of Jois' most accomplished students. There was like five likes to it. Heres another example. Singletons work I think dated 2010 really blew the lid off of the notion that postural sequences or postures themselves or the way in which theyre practiced in group class formats with adjustments, that any of that has any pre-modern heritage. So, Guy is the co-editor, Eddie Stern is the other editor, but Guy has gone on kind of like this solo truth and reconciliation tear on his blog. I would agree. Really. He had been trained in the Mysore Yoga Shala at a very crucial point in the development of modern yoga history. And then on the logistic or the sort of material front, there is a group thats in formation and I think its called the Amayu collective. And Greg Nardi from Orlando or Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Its really the beauty and the artistry and I would say the sensuality and the sublimated sexuality of and sometimes not-sublimated sexuality of that imagery that is directly coming from Jois. Thank you. I think it behoves all us men to start treating women with more respect. At this point, after having read in the wake of MeToo so many accounts of sexual abuse by women conducted by men, I feel an almost primal shame of being male. And, we can throw him out but keep, keep this very valuable and integral practice intact. But how did you come to a focus on the Ashtanga yoga situation in particular and what was going on in that that you felt needed to be highlighted? Woops.]. Now, parampara in precolonial terms, and up until this point, even now in contemporary India, means something very specific about how knowledge is transferred, especially spiritual knowledge in this context. Its not like youre going to give it. Like what were the conditions under which they learned? Now I would say what the organization has to do is say, Okay, who actually trained under this guy and who would attribute their certification to him and who was tested by him?, Because everybody involved in that is going to have to answer some questions about, Well, what did you actually learn from him? I am a Harrison Early Career Assistant Professor in the Department of Statistics at the University of Warwick. Well, every group does say that though. Karen Rain (antes Karen Haberman) cuenta su experiencia como vctima de abuso sexual por parte de Pattabhi Jois, creador del ashtanga yoga. It may be good to add your voice. Karen has been a freedom fighter ever since she was 19 and maybe before that when she was just a rebellious child. Right, and thats part of what alienates you from your own, even your will to, to propose an alternative or to ask questions, which of course youre not allowed to do. Right. And this really goes back to a very old and sacred idea in a part of Indian wisdom culture called Tantrism where the guru is said to embody a kind of bio-spiritual grace. Its more like Indian anti-colonial activists in the 1920s and 1930s wanted to indigenize physical culture influences from Europe. The reform so far has been strong in some areas in the zone of sentiment, rather than action. Im sure. And I also thought that it would rock the foundations of the broader yoga world because Jois is incredibly influential. One woman commenting on my last post signed off with #gurufreezone. Most recently youve written a book about problematic group dynamics in the yoga world and its called Practice and All is Coming: Abuse, Cult Dynamics and Healing in Yoga, and Beyond. Shes actually a womens studies professor in southern England somewhere. And also so earth shattering is that you know he doesnt phrase it this way but the research as he lays it out basically says what we have believed about the modern posture, about the modern yoga movement is mostly deceptive. Im happy to hear that. Karen has finished Karen's high school education. Karen Rain is a writer, tutor and nature lover. PS This post is only a fragment of what needs to be said but I hope to be addressing all that later down the track. Or how can we help you mitigate this educational stain?. Theyre supposed to be concentrating on their breath or theres even eye positions that people are supposed to take. Please dont feel bad thinking that you could have or should have done something differently. Karen's Current Address 11 Cullen Hill Rd . You know, there are very few, I would imagine in North America and Europe, yoga teachers who are cranking people today the way that Jois cranked people in his day. Like he was, he was a bad man. . I mean, every group makes proprietary and sort of like advocacy claims, self-advocacy claims. Like if youve trained as an asana, a teacher, lets stay in our lane: lets not give dietary advice. Still I was both sexually assaulted and violently adjusted by Jois on his visits to the States, as I detailed in Matthews article. So theres something in there called the PRISM method. Thats what they said. People argued about that for years. I dont want to interrupt. You know: you have to make a distinction between people that you love because you love them and people who are triggering to your students. Resides in Huntington, MA. Touched a lot by the common ground dealing with this allegations and reinterpretation of behaviour that still continues in my own world of trying to educate people to escape the Buddhist flavoured abusive high demand groups. He pretty much stayed out of the way. I know that the group will have some challenges with diversity with inclusion and also. I could have been one of the women who simply smiled at you, shook their heads and walked on when you approached them about the sexual abuse. Yeah. Karen lived in 1974, at address, Wisconsin. How do the spiritual metaphysics factor in to this cocktail of toxic group dynamic? Thats where we get into the notion of whether or not the method fosters communities that are actually high demand or cultic. And so we have this beautiful word that carries an ancient heritage that I personally dont have access to how that actually works, but I know its there and I hope that it can be recovered in some way or it can be made more known, or I can have more access to it at least. And thats super important because one of the reasons that Jois was allowed to be who he was is that nobody gave him any limits. But anyway, their list of the things that you can do is all laid out for you. Im sorry that you, and other women had to go through all of this and that I was so close to you and didnt know nor did I feel what was going on in you. Well actually, you know, I just want to interject too, is that the people that Im in contact with, that had said that actually have read the book and have actually completely changed their tune. Or the opposite, which I hear a lot too is Okay, well if these people, like with Karen Rain going back again and again and getting continually assaulted: Whats going on in her psychology or someones psychology like that, that keeps them there? View Karen Haberman's record in Huntington, MA including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. We found public records for Karen Rain. This site hosts over 200 original posts on current affairs in modern global yoga and Buddhist culture. So I had the sense around 2015 or 16 that if what I was hearing was true and I believed that it was true, that it would really rock the foundations of this particular community. Dear sister and sister-in-law of Susan and Stuart Kampel. What has been some of the response youve received or seen in light of the stuff coming out and also in light of your book. HABERMAN, Karen Advanced heart disease took her swiftly and unexpectedly and far too soon. It is a ritual of domination. Thank you so much Gregor Maehle for your beautiful, honest, insightful and heartfelt response to my interview. So youve sort of discussed a little bit about the spiritual interpretation and reframe of a lot of this behavior. And you know, the relationship between the teacher and the student is sacred. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I think this group of five people are putting together a kind of alternative training program to whats on offer through Sharath Jois and KPJAYI. I want to thank you for coming out with your story. Previously, I was a postdoctoral fellow in the Laboratoire Jacques-Louis LionsLink opens in a new window at Sorbonne Universit with Prof Ugo BoscainLink opens in a new window and a member of the Inria ParisLink opens in a new window team CAGELink opens in a new window. I am completely shocked that you had to go through all of this a few metres away from me and I was ignorant of it. He has recently had allegations, numerous allegations of sexual assault verified against him by an independent investigation that was commissioned by the Iyengar Yoga Association of the United State, or IYNAUS. What psychiatrists came up with in the 1950s where they self imposed theyre starting to break it with Trump now but a lot of professional clinicians, have this self-imposed rule that theyre not going to diagnose people that theyre not in clinical practice with. But youre not getting anything out of those confrontations if youre trying to teach there. Some of our audience is definitely going to be familiar with the names in terms of that you just mentioned, but theres, theres probably a yogic un-literate audience, right, that is listening too, so can you put Ashtanga on the map and then put Pattabhi Jois in relationship to Ashtanga on the map in that? Thats not safe for the people who come to your studio. I am deeply sorry. It doesnt make any sense. Im not understanding them, not letting them handle it in their own way. I dont think we know the kinds of relationships that theyre grounded in. I have lots of friends in the Ashtanga Yoga world. Shiva Details: Visitors are welcome to return to the residence Sunday after the conclusion of the burial at the cemetery, and visitation will continue from 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Shiva visits Monday and Tuesday from 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Evening services will be held daily at 7:00 p.m. In Herman Melville 's novel " The Confidence-Man ," from 1857, the title character is a shapeshifter who remakes himself in the image of others' desires. Also known as Karen H Haberman, K Rain. The fellowship was funded by the FSMP (Fondation Sciences . In my case, it was, in my case, it was Michael Roach of the Asian Classics Institute or Charles Anderson at Endeavor Academy. I think an apology should be issued by the Jois family for sexual assault and violating adjustments. And all of that really is in the sort of public, very jousty sphere of blog work and social media. All Rights Reserved. And I think theres something in there too around the connection between the yoga posture and a kind of sexualized performance. The problem that I dont think Jordan Peterson or any of his kind of like alt right bros want to really face is that you cannot be responsible for having been deceived. Its very, very difficult to protect yourself against being deceived. He was given kind of free reign to pontificate about every aspect of a persons life, you know, so its not just that he was teaching people asana, but he was also telling them to stop taking their medication or he was telling them that their back didnt need surgery or, you know, he was giving them spiritual advice perhaps or, or what have you. Karen Rain (pictured) says Ashtanga yoga guru Pattabhi sexually assaulted her and other women while she studied with him in Mysore, India, in the mid 1990s. Does it make me fame and fortune? Karen Faber Haberman Counselor at San Diego Unified School District San Diego County, California, United States 11 connections My aim is to popularize the use of interdisciplinary tools from cult psychology and critical theory, for instance towards the creation of safer practice spaces. Theyre following a series of postures that theyve been given in a successive stage-like manner. She was 91 years of age. And then we have this sort of like contemporary bastardized version of the term thats used to pretend that the people who are the people who are using it have something, you know, magical or special when thats really deceptive. The old shala held 12 mats and my spot was front row, left corner in the 4:30am time slot. HABERMAN, Karen - Advanced heart disease took her swiftly and unexpectedly and far too soon. They all openly talk about how, Oh yeah, he blew out my knee and he was doing this, but I got the posture or he led me towards a more advanced position in the series or something like that. And, and, you know, its like, did you, did anybody say that, Ronan Farrow was opportunistic for reporting on Harvey Weinstein? Why shouldnt their sexuality somehow be included in that? I remember to this day her clarity and steely determination in her eyes when she looked straight at me and said with a smile, Forget about it. Karen Rain (Haberman). And so I just was terrified of the implications of what I was hearing and I resisted it for a long time actually. Make a life-giving gesture And also Id say that its Joiss senior students coming out of his tutelage from the late Sixties, but then especially into the 80s that really give modern yoga its aesthetic in terms of its incredible athleticism, its beautiful, but sometimes scary contortionism. 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